1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:38,710 [Music] 2 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:40,940 welcome to the skinwalker debrief I'm 3 00:00:45,260 --> 00:00:42,660 your host TJ Allard and I'm one of the 4 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:45,270 executive producers of the new TV series 5 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:46,650 on history called the secret of 6 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:47,550 skinwalker ranch 7 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:49,739 I'm joined each week by Jason McClellan 8 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:51,660 and Marine Ellsbury and together we'll 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:53,550 dissect each episode to give you more 10 00:00:57,439 --> 00:00:54,890 insight into the show 11 00:00:59,150 --> 00:00:57,449 Jason has been exploring all the strange 12 00:01:01,460 --> 00:00:59,160 for more than a decade and he's appeared 13 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:01,470 on Nat Geo sci-fi and history and he's 14 00:01:05,270 --> 00:01:04,110 the author of only weirdos see UFOs an 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:05,280 introduction to the public's 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:07,050 misperception of unidentified aerial 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:09,090 phenomenon and extraterrestrial life 18 00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:11,250 marine is a journalist researcher and 19 00:01:15,469 --> 00:01:13,200 podcaster specializing in the anomalous 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:15,479 she starred in a docu-series uncovering 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:17,610 aliens on Animal Planet and served as 22 00:01:21,380 --> 00:01:19,050 the ambassador for science channels are 23 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:21,390 we alone initiative and tonight we'd 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:23,460 like to welcome back the superintendent 25 00:01:27,859 --> 00:01:25,410 at skinwalker ranch none other than 26 00:01:30,499 --> 00:01:27,869 Thomas Winterton Thomas thank you for 27 00:01:31,670 --> 00:01:30,509 joining us thanks for inviting me this 28 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:31,680 is great man I'm glad you could be here 29 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:36,630 with us no I was here first time's good 30 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:38,100 the second time is better because it 31 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:39,600 means I didn't mess up too bad than the 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:43,560 first time no it's always great having 33 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:45,770 you and hopefully we'll continue these 34 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:49,259 going forward I think people are really 35 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:51,119 enjoying getting the insight from you 36 00:01:56,330 --> 00:01:54,119 guys you and the rest of the team so I 37 00:01:58,969 --> 00:01:56,340 just you know we didn't have a show this 38 00:02:01,430 --> 00:01:58,979 week but there's a ton of questions that 39 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:01,440 people have out there why don't you give 40 00:02:04,309 --> 00:02:02,910 us an update on what's going on with 41 00:02:05,180 --> 00:02:04,319 your world though first like how are 42 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:05,190 things going 43 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:07,950 you know I was stuff been at the ranch 44 00:02:12,740 --> 00:02:11,310 what's going on well you know it's 45 00:02:15,729 --> 00:02:12,750 important for people to remember that 46 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:15,739 this investigations been ongoing now for 47 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:19,140 20-plus years it started really with 48 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:21,209 Bigelow and then has continued and he 49 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:23,760 passed the torch on to Brandon and so 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:25,590 we've been investigating this entire 51 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:29,250 time and you know I'm so thrilled that 52 00:02:33,470 --> 00:02:31,260 we've been able to bring people on a 53 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:33,480 journey and give them a peek behind the 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:36,090 curtain of what's going on there at the 55 00:02:42,679 --> 00:02:39,290 ranch but when the cameras go down and 56 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:42,689 the crews leave the science continues 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:47,250 and so we're always in the process 58 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:49,770 of fine-tuning our instruments 59 00:02:53,780 --> 00:02:51,930 fine-tuning the methods that we're using 60 00:02:58,640 --> 00:02:53,790 you know it's always test measure and 61 00:03:01,130 --> 00:02:58,650 adjust and so you know I feel like we've 62 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:01,140 had a really successful season season 63 00:03:07,340 --> 00:03:04,320 one we've had I'm grateful for everybody 64 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:07,350 that's tuned in and and followed along 65 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:11,670 with us and you know if reason stands to 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:13,440 hold that you know we're gonna be able 67 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:17,730 to continue this journey I hope and and 68 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:19,950 so in in light of that obviously there's 69 00:03:25,550 --> 00:03:22,590 a lot of things that you look back at 70 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:25,560 season one and you say you know boy we'd 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:27,030 like to improve this or it would've been 72 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:30,690 nice if we had a camera here or or then 73 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:32,040 you've got mountains and mountains of 74 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:35,400 data that's like I've always said we are 75 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:37,290 spending and our resources always 76 00:03:42,530 --> 00:03:39,480 followed the data so as we get new data 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:42,540 then it then we say gal you know we were 78 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:44,730 picking up these things over here on 79 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:46,230 this side of the ranch I wonder if we're 80 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:47,540 seeing the same thing on the other side 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:52,230 so we're always busy I have a task list 82 00:04:01,340 --> 00:03:57,530 a mile long that where I was deploying 83 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:01,350 new instruments new cameras and you know 84 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:03,330 the like the viewers have seen on the 85 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:05,610 television show we encounter a lot of 86 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:08,610 electromagnetic interference out there 87 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:12,510 and it has raised hell with all of our 88 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:14,850 electronics so not only are we trying to 89 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:17,700 install new things but we're constantly 90 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:21,810 having to replace and try to upgrade our 91 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:24,900 old things matter of fact today we just 92 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:27,660 I spent the day with Eric bard at the 93 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:32,540 ranch we had some electronic boards that 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:36,630 mysteriously got fried Chandra you know 95 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:40,050 we spent the day trying to look at that 96 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:43,610 and and replace some of things there and 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:46,229 so it's always a busy time at the ranch 98 00:04:51,710 --> 00:04:48,810 and we're always trying to improve and 99 00:04:55,219 --> 00:04:51,720 fine-tune our methods and and you know 100 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:55,229 hopefully get some more answers sure now 101 00:05:00,590 --> 00:04:56,910 it's just so everyone knows I mean the 102 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:00,600 show us film last year right now you 103 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:02,340 because it's it's everything is 104 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:04,410 transient obviously since we've seen and 105 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:06,540 it seems like it's cyclical are things 106 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:07,620 happening right now are you getting 107 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:10,110 another activity right now the ranch has 108 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:14,130 been very active I've personally had 109 00:05:21,410 --> 00:05:17,910 quite a few things happen over the last 110 00:05:26,420 --> 00:05:21,420 few months specifically really over the 111 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:26,430 last eight weeks and so yeah it's it's 112 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:28,170 active things are still happening it is 113 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:29,940 transient it comes and goes 114 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:32,280 right and when it goes you don't know 115 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:34,770 when it's going to come back and so 116 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:38,580 we're just sit and watch got it so you 117 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:41,220 know since there wasn't an episode we're 118 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:44,280 saying I mean Jason marine you know we 119 00:05:47,870 --> 00:05:46,770 were talking earlier that just getting a 120 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:47,880 lot of the same questions I think more 121 00:05:51,980 --> 00:05:49,290 you said that some people are asking you 122 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:51,990 a bunch of the same you were hearing a 123 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:53,190 lot of the same questions not 124 00:05:58,060 --> 00:05:56,190 specifically submitted for tonight but 125 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:58,070 what's what are some of those that 126 00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:01,320 you're getting a lot of sure so one of 127 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:04,140 the things and and you know this depends 128 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:06,030 on how much you're actually able to talk 129 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:11,310 about this is what whether or not the 130 00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:14,130 current ranch investigation crew has 131 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:18,630 been working at least comprehensively in 132 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:22,620 terms of analyzing and talking to the 133 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:24,510 crew that investigated previously with 134 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:27,870 Bigelow's team needs and whether any of 135 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:30,030 that data is or you're trying to 136 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:33,600 correlate yeah it's a good question from 137 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:37,710 the very beginning the Brandon as people 138 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:41,310 see Brandon's very he likes to 139 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:44,820 collaborate and he is an individual that 140 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:47,700 looks for cooperation and he's always 141 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:49,260 said all along the tents big enough for 142 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:51,840 everybody to come in and add their piece 143 00:06:58,580 --> 00:06:55,170 to it so from the very beginning there's 144 00:07:00,860 --> 00:06:58,590 always been an outreach to that previous 145 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:00,870 group bigelow didn't hand us over any 146 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:05,160 data really we are limited to the same 147 00:07:12,770 --> 00:07:08,550 data that everybody else has now you 148 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:12,780 know Bigelow did mr. Bigelow did you 149 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:14,260 know speak with Brandon during the 150 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:19,120 of purchasing the ranch but there's 151 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:21,820 still no scientific data that wasn't 152 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:24,660 exchanged we started with a clean slate 153 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:28,300 we've obviously asked many many times 154 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:33,880 and I think I just think I can't help 155 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:35,680 but think that a lot of what Bigelow had 156 00:07:40,830 --> 00:07:38,650 is classified because of the government 157 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:40,840 money that was spent because they're 158 00:07:45,810 --> 00:07:44,050 just been they've helped where they can 159 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:45,820 but they've been very limited in what 160 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:49,930 they will share so yes we have done an 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:52,450 outreach and will continue to do so and 162 00:07:58,050 --> 00:07:54,970 hopefully as time goes on we'll be able 163 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:58,060 to get more and more but we've really 164 00:08:03,630 --> 00:07:59,680 been limited as to what we've gotten 165 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:03,640 from them oh sorry I was just gonna give 166 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:05,680 a quick follow up question have you 167 00:08:12,930 --> 00:08:09,010 yourself personally spent any time 168 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:12,940 really digging over what is out there in 169 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:16,570 terms of what they had released early on 170 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:19,510 prior to obviously a lot of the 171 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:22,240 classified things or the dark coal of 172 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:26,620 the 22 million dollar program just done 173 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:29,050 research on what they had studied and 174 00:08:35,550 --> 00:08:31,330 what they alleged to have found have you 175 00:08:38,339 --> 00:08:35,560 read hunt for the skinwalker etc so 176 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:38,349 personally no I have never read any of 177 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:40,210 the books I've never watched any of the 178 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:47,050 movies we have I know that as a ranch 179 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:49,540 team Brandon in there it could compiled 180 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:52,480 all of the known information that was 181 00:08:58,290 --> 00:08:56,080 pertinent to the investigation and so I 182 00:09:00,690 --> 00:08:58,300 have been I've been privileged to look 183 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:00,700 over that which I think takes a lot of 184 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:02,710 the stories and anecdotal stuff out and 185 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:06,580 really focuses in on I think it's just a 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:09,610 more targeted approach so I have seen 187 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:11,290 that and I have looked over that and 188 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:13,540 then you know I've had the privilege of 189 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:15,580 being able to speak personally with the 190 00:09:20,940 --> 00:09:18,520 prior team I've been able to I think 191 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:20,950 I've met just about all of the players 192 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:25,030 that that were here before so then had 193 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:27,390 the chance to speak with them 194 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:30,610 awesome Thomas what is a would you say 195 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:33,880 like the most frustrating thing has been 196 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:37,330 with this information exchange or lack 197 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:39,550 thereof like you get this a lot you know 198 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:42,610 where when you when I do go on any of 199 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:45,310 the social media stuff no read people 200 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:46,960 like saying oh why isn't this one sure 201 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:48,970 that had been shared you know obviously 202 00:09:52,830 --> 00:09:50,350 like what you said the classified nature 203 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:52,840 of things that you know is government 204 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:54,880 money that paid for it and they're not 205 00:09:57,450 --> 00:09:55,930 gonna share it but is there been 206 00:09:59,940 --> 00:09:57,460 anything that you're like I need to know 207 00:10:02,790 --> 00:09:59,950 X Y or Z that you just haven't been able 208 00:10:04,970 --> 00:10:02,800 to get that you think would be super 209 00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:04,980 helpful for you or have have you been 210 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:07,480 looped in enough where you're like okay 211 00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:08,710 you know what I get it 212 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:10,390 I know where I'm at that's my baseline 213 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:11,710 and I'm gonna go forward from here I 214 00:10:16,410 --> 00:10:13,180 didn't know if there was anything that 215 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:16,420 you've been just kind of really chomping 216 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:18,670 at the bit for I will say that I'm 217 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:22,450 frustrated take for example the digging 218 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:24,940 okay when I came on and I was told no 219 00:10:30,450 --> 00:10:27,850 digging there was no why there was just 220 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:30,460 no digging that's that's very 221 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:35,530 frustrating because you know I want to 222 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:37,990 know well why not is this is this that 223 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:40,360 we're there's a body buried on it and 224 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:43,150 we're just trying to avoid desecrating a 225 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:45,910 grave or is there something dangerous to 226 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:47,710 it like there was no why that's very 227 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:49,360 frustrating for an individual like me 228 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:51,400 especially when I set out to do a task 229 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:54,940 you know and and so there's frustration 230 00:11:06,300 --> 00:10:58,960 of that there have been statements made 231 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:06,310 by individuals of the prior group little 232 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:08,460 statements like I would never do that 233 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:10,650 well why not 234 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:13,930 like do you have information that would 235 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:17,590 land it what do you have information 236 00:11:21,570 --> 00:11:18,940 that was suggest that that's dangerous 237 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:21,580 like you can't just say yeah I would 238 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:24,010 have like you can't give me the 239 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:25,600 statement I'll never step foot on 240 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:28,060 skinwalker ranch again and leave it at 241 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:31,030 that what why not I stepped on am I in 242 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:32,890 danger so those type of things are 243 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:36,490 extremely frustrating and I'm fake vague 244 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:40,060 generalities generalities Wow yes 245 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:43,030 yes it when statements like that are 246 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:46,780 made to me you know don't dig oh you 247 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:47,920 know I'm never gonna step foot on 248 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:50,490 skinwalker ranch again or of the like 249 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:52,780 those kind of things really bother me 250 00:11:57,510 --> 00:11:55,510 because I think if if you know of 251 00:12:00,330 --> 00:11:57,520 something that's dangerous and you're 252 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:00,340 not sharing that with us that to me 253 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:03,700 that's reckless it's irresponsible and 254 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:07,060 so then if it you know and I would I 255 00:12:12,090 --> 00:12:08,440 would like to believe that these 256 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:12,100 individuals are good people and they're 257 00:12:15,930 --> 00:12:14,020 caring people and they wouldn't ever 258 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:15,940 want to put anybody in harm's way so 259 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:20,110 then you have to say well I'm sure I'm 260 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:21,660 gonna give them the benefit of the doubt 261 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:24,910 that they're not withholding something 262 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:27,490 dangerous from us they're not 263 00:12:30,990 --> 00:12:29,140 withholding something dangerous then it 264 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:31,000 lends the question okay if it's not 265 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:33,850 dangerous then again why not what is it 266 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:36,190 what do you know that you're not telling 267 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:38,110 us and that's very frustrating and and 268 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:40,030 it's probably the thing that bothers me 269 00:12:43,140 --> 00:12:41,830 the most about being on the ranch 270 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:43,150 there's all these things that have been 271 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:45,010 said by the individuals that were there 272 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:48,040 prior to us and then not having any type 273 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:51,190 of follow-up to know even what direction 274 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:54,130 to take that right I could see how 275 00:12:58,110 --> 00:12:55,690 that'd be frustrating especially if it's 276 00:13:00,660 --> 00:12:58,120 risky and get hurt 277 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:00,670 I mean I wouldn't pay you don't help 278 00:13:07,410 --> 00:13:04,930 anybody know at all you know I feel like 279 00:13:09,690 --> 00:13:07,420 everyone's been battling that you know 280 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:09,700 for a while it's I want to tell you 281 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:11,260 about this super cool and dangerous 282 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:13,090 thing that happens but if I tell you I 283 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:14,890 have to kill you kind of thing ya know 284 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:18,160 just tell me if you know if anything all 285 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:19,930 it does is perpetuate the mystery it 286 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:22,510 doesn't help in any way other than to 287 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:25,210 further the mystery the lore that's 288 00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:28,260 frustrating I feel for you buddy 289 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:30,880 well and it just it goes further as far 290 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:33,970 as you know it's something there's been 291 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:35,320 a lot of injuries on skinwalker ranch 292 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:37,900 there have been a lot of people that 293 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:40,960 have been hurt on the ranch now we get 294 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:41,560 chalk 295 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:49,420 them up to something I imagine but when 296 00:13:53,369 --> 00:13:51,460 they start making statements like this 297 00:13:55,109 --> 00:13:53,379 then 298 00:13:56,969 --> 00:13:55,119 have to wonder what is it that they're 299 00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:56,979 holding back and that's that's a that's 300 00:14:00,210 --> 00:13:58,720 the part that I really have a hard time 301 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:00,220 with you know even if they would say 302 00:14:07,769 --> 00:14:05,889 don't dig it's dangerous okay like but 303 00:14:10,139 --> 00:14:07,779 but there's no it's dangerous that's 304 00:14:11,999 --> 00:14:10,149 don't dig what is it yeah and even if 305 00:14:15,149 --> 00:14:12,009 that what does dangerous mean dangerous 306 00:14:17,249 --> 00:14:15,159 for what how tor whom you know is 307 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:17,259 dangerous because I'm gonna go blind and 308 00:14:22,409 --> 00:14:18,970 I gonna hurt myself it's somebody else 309 00:14:23,609 --> 00:14:22,419 gonna die you know no I get that and 310 00:14:25,259 --> 00:14:23,619 that's why I was asking because you know 311 00:14:27,119 --> 00:14:25,269 you I imagine you're out there man 312 00:14:28,589 --> 00:14:27,129 you're on the on the front line I you 313 00:14:31,409 --> 00:14:28,599 know when I first started going out 314 00:14:33,689 --> 00:14:31,419 there and you know it's scary it's it's 315 00:14:35,969 --> 00:14:33,699 unnerving because there's so much on so 316 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:35,979 many unknown things and you just never 317 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:38,289 know because it's always so always seems 318 00:14:42,689 --> 00:14:41,289 so secretive and even like with you my 319 00:14:44,369 --> 00:14:42,699 conversations with you you know like 320 00:14:46,139 --> 00:14:44,379 you're saying right now yeah I don't 321 00:14:49,409 --> 00:14:46,149 really know why but we were just told 322 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:49,419 that well for anybody that's just it's 323 00:14:53,369 --> 00:14:51,970 it drives you mad after a while you're 324 00:14:54,659 --> 00:14:53,379 like are you just messing with me are 325 00:14:56,249 --> 00:14:54,669 you messing with me or is there really a 326 00:14:59,159 --> 00:14:56,259 reason why are you just saying that to 327 00:15:01,439 --> 00:14:59,169 stop me from doing something so I don't 328 00:15:02,069 --> 00:15:01,449 think and then look who looks like a 329 00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:02,079 dumbass 330 00:15:06,509 --> 00:15:04,569 when they're when when you know 331 00:15:10,579 --> 00:15:06,519 production comes on alright and we're 332 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:10,589 like don't dig why not I don't know that 333 00:15:18,889 --> 00:15:15,850 like they're sitting on data that we're 334 00:15:21,329 --> 00:15:18,899 like don't dig because XY and Z happens 335 00:15:23,069 --> 00:15:21,339 but if you're if you're sitting there 336 00:15:24,989 --> 00:15:23,079 you're carrying these narratives and and 337 00:15:26,729 --> 00:15:24,999 you know these have been told to us by 338 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:26,739 credible people these aren't nut jobs 339 00:15:30,179 --> 00:15:28,809 these are phd's these are individuals 340 00:15:32,369 --> 00:15:30,189 that are respected out in the community 341 00:15:35,789 --> 00:15:32,379 so it's not like some drunk guy told me 342 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:35,799 you know you shouldn't drug - oh no this 343 00:15:41,849 --> 00:15:38,769 is coming from a person I respect and 344 00:15:43,529 --> 00:15:41,859 then and then when it comes down to us 345 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:43,539 and like well we don't want to dig on 346 00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:44,649 the ranch well why not 347 00:15:48,749 --> 00:15:47,199 I don't know cuz somebody told us well 348 00:15:52,289 --> 00:15:48,759 who told you well I can't tell you they 349 00:15:55,259 --> 00:15:52,299 told me like I'm like yeah right you 350 00:16:00,029 --> 00:15:55,269 know yeah crazy 351 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:00,039 command yeah yeah okay sure you know and 352 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:02,470 that's Travis oh okay you guys sound 353 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:05,120 batshit crazy yes we do I admit it 354 00:16:09,460 --> 00:16:07,940 yeah so if you have you heard from 355 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:09,470 speaking of charity you heard from it 356 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:11,210 all have you kept in touch with any 357 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:13,610 anyone after I mean the size of guys are 358 00:16:16,690 --> 00:16:14,930 there all the time I mean Travis isn't 359 00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:16,700 there all the time you said for 360 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:19,279 production time but have you heard from 361 00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:23,990 you at all oh yeah there there have been 362 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:26,500 reasons that necessitate it you know we 363 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:29,410 text back and forth as a group and 364 00:16:33,250 --> 00:16:31,460 there's been some things that have 365 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:33,260 arisen over the we'll call it the off 366 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:36,020 season right yep that have necessitated 367 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:42,170 a group huddle and no no major injuries 368 00:16:48,670 --> 00:16:45,740 or anything to report nothing no nothing 369 00:16:50,170 --> 00:16:48,680 bad going on and I'm not prodding you or 370 00:16:52,570 --> 00:16:50,180 anything I'm just like genuinely curious 371 00:16:54,490 --> 00:16:52,580 like I know I think I think everybody's 372 00:16:56,950 --> 00:16:54,500 healthy I think every you know I think 373 00:17:00,370 --> 00:16:56,960 everybody's doing well good good you 374 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:00,380 know I saw online somebody asked this 375 00:17:07,179 --> 00:17:03,410 question and this is kind of one of 376 00:17:10,419 --> 00:17:07,189 those I don't know if I put a lot of 377 00:17:13,630 --> 00:17:10,429 Merit into it but that was talking about 378 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:13,640 how many people on the ranch they come 379 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:14,990 there and then they have these really 380 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:17,480 terrifying nightmares when they leave 381 00:17:22,299 --> 00:17:20,990 that haunt them forever to me I I'm kind 382 00:17:24,340 --> 00:17:22,309 of weird about dreams I had a dream 383 00:17:27,370 --> 00:17:24,350 about skinwalker ranch that I was there 384 00:17:32,770 --> 00:17:27,380 last week or so and it was very detailed 385 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:32,780 sure they sure do the abridged version 386 00:17:39,310 --> 00:17:34,610 and just change the names to protect the 387 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:39,320 innocent well no I was just all of a 388 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:42,830 sudden on the ridge but like the command 389 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:45,020 center was my parents front porch oddly 390 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:46,730 enough and there's a bunch of people 391 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:48,710 there and I was up on the ridge and had 392 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:51,110 this overwhelming sense of dread and the 393 00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:53,420 wind came up and was pushing me towards 394 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:55,429 something or away from something I 395 00:18:00,040 --> 00:17:57,530 wasn't sure and then I ended up back 396 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:00,050 down on the patio and like electronics 397 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:02,960 were failing I made fun of Travis Taylor 398 00:18:08,410 --> 00:18:06,230 for some reason and with everyone 399 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:08,420 laughing about something I don't know 400 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:09,980 but anyways it was quite detailed and 401 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,870 then like a creature was involved coming 402 00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:13,280 out of the woods when I was in the dark 403 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:15,380 and that was kind of scary but what I'm 404 00:18:20,890 --> 00:18:18,680 saying is that's just 405 00:18:23,290 --> 00:18:20,900 me because I went to bed after talking 406 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:23,300 and skinwalker ranch for a long time 407 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,480 every week for panels so I don't know if 408 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:29,360 I tie that in but my question is because 409 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:31,670 people are asking about experiences that 410 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:34,040 everyone's having with the dreams is 411 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:36,650 that something that plagues you as well 412 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:38,360 I know somebody heard Travis Taylor 413 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:41,300 mentioned that on a podcast that he has 414 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:44,300 dreams or the nightmares yeah there's 415 00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:48,320 about the ranch yeah so have I had 416 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:50,120 nightmares before about the ranch 417 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:52,460 yes but it's it was just part of my 418 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,590 normal there was nothing out of the 419 00:18:58,450 --> 00:18:56,480 ordinary from my normal sleep patterns I 420 00:19:00,220 --> 00:18:58,460 don't have a lot of nightmares but on 421 00:19:03,550 --> 00:19:00,230 occasion I do have nightmares about 422 00:19:06,910 --> 00:19:03,560 various things and where I spend so much 423 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:06,920 time on on the ranch and where I some of 424 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:08,360 my scariest moments of my life 425 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:11,810 well not some of these scariest moments 426 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:14,060 of my life have taken place on that 427 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:16,580 ranch and because of that ranch it would 428 00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:17,930 stand the reason that I might have a 429 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:19,580 nightmare too but nothing that I would 430 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:21,830 attribute to nothing that I would feel 431 00:19:32,890 --> 00:19:25,370 like is the ranch trying to mess with me 432 00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:32,900 that's me personally I will say trout 433 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:35,390 yes Travis has had some nightmares and I 434 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:36,860 know some other individuals have had 435 00:19:48,460 --> 00:19:46,690 have to be careful cuz these really 436 00:19:52,780 --> 00:19:48,470 aren't mine to share but I'll just say 437 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:52,790 that there was enough there to pretty 438 00:19:59,860 --> 00:19:57,050 safely say that they had something to do 439 00:20:02,140 --> 00:19:59,870 with connection to the ranch and and by 440 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:02,150 that I mean there's enough evidence to 441 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:04,730 suggest that they weren't just regular 442 00:20:12,610 --> 00:20:09,650 nightmares very interesting very 443 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:12,620 interesting so let's go into some of 444 00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:14,030 these questions I see we have a bunch 445 00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:16,070 they seem to be very Twitter heavy this 446 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:19,160 week but I think there's at least one of 447 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:21,410 those from one from email Maureen do you 448 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:24,260 have that don't email ones in front of 449 00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:25,940 you I think we always just go like 450 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:27,830 marine does the emails Jason does the 451 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:29,330 Facebook or the Twitter ones and I 452 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:31,580 usually read the Facebook ones sure this 453 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:32,210 is 454 00:20:40,749 --> 00:20:37,850 asking whether the UFO that was seen in 455 00:20:43,239 --> 00:20:40,759 the episode high strangeness looks like 456 00:20:47,259 --> 00:20:43,249 the UFO seen in the surveillance episode 457 00:20:52,239 --> 00:20:47,269 so we're the UFO spotted that were shown 458 00:20:54,009 --> 00:20:52,249 on camera the same in your opinion all 459 00:20:55,419 --> 00:20:54,019 right I know this is horrible but you're 460 00:20:57,249 --> 00:20:55,429 gonna have to forgive me I don't know 461 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:57,259 them by names I know them by numbers 462 00:21:08,889 --> 00:20:59,450 shows that like episode er sorry episode 463 00:21:12,009 --> 00:21:08,899 episode episode 7 no so I don't think we 464 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:12,019 had an eyewitness on 7 and so what 465 00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:15,590 you're seeing there on camera is what we 466 00:21:23,470 --> 00:21:18,470 saw which did not look anything like 467 00:21:25,389 --> 00:21:23,480 what we saw in episode 4 and and I will 468 00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:25,399 speak real quickly to the one that we 469 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:29,720 saw in episode 7 with the cow and people 470 00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,210 have a right or they're justified in 471 00:21:37,779 --> 00:21:33,919 feeling like you know how can you really 472 00:21:39,549 --> 00:21:37,789 tell that's a crafter or what not it's 473 00:21:41,109 --> 00:21:39,559 almost impossible with the camera as 474 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:41,119 most people know to tell depth 475 00:21:47,109 --> 00:21:44,049 perception and so you can get a fly 476 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:47,119 that's 2 inches away from the lens of 477 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:48,980 your camera that can look exactly like a 478 00:21:57,789 --> 00:21:54,110 UFO speeding across the sky the reason 479 00:22:01,269 --> 00:21:57,799 why after looking at that closely we 480 00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:01,279 could rule out the bugs is that at one 481 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:03,950 brief point it passes behind a branch of 482 00:22:07,779 --> 00:22:05,210 the treats that are in the background 483 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:07,789 and the branch is actually in front of 484 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:11,450 it and so that gives us an idea on the 485 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:13,850 distance that we're dealing with and to 486 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:17,210 be that far away from the camera and 487 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:20,090 still show up guys would give you an 488 00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:21,710 indication that it you know had to be 489 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:25,340 fairly significant size then so when we 490 00:22:29,769 --> 00:22:27,230 were doing the analysis you know I saw a 491 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:29,779 lot of comments like oh that's a fly or 492 00:22:35,379 --> 00:22:33,320 that's we were basing it off the fact 493 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:35,389 that we were looking for objects that 494 00:22:39,369 --> 00:22:37,369 either went behind or in front to tell 495 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:39,379 and that's how we were able to gauge 496 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,580 that it's good for people to hear 497 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:46,400 and it's also important to realize - we 498 00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:50,210 see we see hundreds of UFOs at the ranch 499 00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:54,020 every week they start out as UFOs and by 500 00:22:58,660 --> 00:22:56,600 the time Eric and the guys work their 501 00:23:03,610 --> 00:22:58,670 magic there is OS they're identified 502 00:23:06,730 --> 00:23:03,620 objects and so it's it's just because 503 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:06,740 there's a UFO we hear that term and we 504 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:11,330 automatically think paranormal sometimes 505 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:12,130 it takes 506 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:18,500 Eric bard is a master of Oh forensics to 507 00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:20,540 take a video yeah yeah I mean he's real 508 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:23,180 he's written some code and he's done 509 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:24,830 some really magical things with these 510 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:27,050 videos to really see if they pass the 511 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:30,020 mustard and there's a couple that I 512 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:32,900 thought absolutely matter of fact I 513 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:34,160 found with my own eyes 514 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:37,130 but once Eric goes in and does his magic 515 00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:39,890 with them they quickly go from UFO to 516 00:23:45,610 --> 00:23:43,580 IFO and you know they're a UFO for a 517 00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:45,620 week or two until he had time to look at 518 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:50,360 him straight I really hope that if and 519 00:23:57,370 --> 00:23:54,950 when season 2 takes place that we will 520 00:23:59,890 --> 00:23:57,380 be able to spend more time looking at 521 00:24:03,970 --> 00:23:59,900 some of these things because what people 522 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:03,980 need to realize is that they're seeing 523 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:06,650 like the highlights but we're debunking 524 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,390 ninety-eight ninety-nine percent of the 525 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:10,400 stuff that's taking place there is a 526 00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:12,770 mundane reason for most of what happens 527 00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:15,980 at the ranch and if you don't go through 528 00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:18,560 that process and show the fact that 529 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:20,660 we're not drinking the kool-aid not 530 00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:22,910 every fly that goes across the camera is 531 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:26,360 a UFO not every UFO in the sky is a UFO 532 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:30,170 you know I think that or the credibility 533 00:24:35,710 --> 00:24:31,490 of the show it's going to be very 534 00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:35,720 important to spend some time showing the 535 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:38,560 guys you know Travis and Eric and and 536 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:42,620 Jim Cigala going through using sound 537 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,410 scientific principles and eliminating 538 00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,320 those things of known origin and then 539 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:50,720 you know maybe we arrive at the end and 540 00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:52,130 they say a gal we've gone through 541 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:53,540 everything that we can think it is we've 542 00:25:00,170 --> 00:24:57,810 we put this through all of the 543 00:25:01,670 --> 00:25:00,180 tests that we know how to do I guess at 544 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:01,680 this point we're gonna have to let it 545 00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,540 stand that it's anomalous or what we're 546 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,760 gonna see 99% of the time is they're 547 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:11,460 gonna say oh my gosh that's not a UFO 548 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:15,240 that's flight seven eight one two out of 549 00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:20,180 you know going to to Denver and and so I 550 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:21,900 I'm with you guys 551 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:24,030 I hope moving forward that we're gonna 552 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:26,430 be able to devote more time in showing 553 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:30,090 the behind the scenes and it look I want 554 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,770 to show the highlights to it's fun to 555 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,480 see some of the crazy stuff that's going 556 00:25:37,910 --> 00:25:36,240 on because it's legit but for 557 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:37,920 credibility sake we also need to show 558 00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:43,650 the 99% that is not legit that's really 559 00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:44,520 like the sound of that 560 00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:47,070 I think people would love to hear that 561 00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:49,280 get their hands on some of that raw data 562 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:52,500 I know going forward to we're getting 563 00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:55,050 ready to launch a website where some of 564 00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,520 this data and these white papers are 565 00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:58,980 gonna be posted there and really that's 566 00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:01,110 going to be the chance and and you know 567 00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,760 what I think I'm excited about it 568 00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:04,860 because I think it's going to be an 569 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:08,670 opportunity I think Prometheus has done 570 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:12,690 a great job of trying to - they've got a 571 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:14,190 difficult challenge I'm trying to show a 572 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:16,110 science show and keep it interesting and 573 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:19,410 and keep it in and but still keep it 574 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:23,490 true to the facts and and I think this 575 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:25,710 website having the scientists put the 576 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,980 hard data on their papers being able to 577 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:31,200 show how they've arrived at some of 578 00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,770 these conclusions that will be I think 579 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:36,240 it'll be good for everybody involved 580 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,830 including the production because it's 581 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:39,360 going to keep people honest you know 582 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:41,070 that it's going to remove that 583 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,280 temptation to sensationalize and 584 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:46,320 dramatize because if things are gonna 585 00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:48,150 get posted on the website in a month and 586 00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:49,620 they're gonna contradict what you're 587 00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:51,780 trying to show on TV that that's gonna 588 00:26:55,670 --> 00:26:53,790 be bad for the show so I think on all 589 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:55,680 around it's gonna be great and it'll 590 00:26:59,270 --> 00:26:57,450 back up and validate what we're seeing 591 00:27:01,840 --> 00:26:59,280 on the television show it's gonna be 592 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:01,850 awesome especially when you get the 593 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,110 peer-reviewed aspect of it you know 594 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,960 that's gonna be really important but 595 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:08,760 what's next we got coming up other 596 00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,110 questions we get up there 597 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,320 we've got Twitter so we jump to Twitter 598 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:14,220 sure let's do it 599 00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,610 alright so Timothy asks I heard in an 600 00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,440 interview he recently saw a group of 601 00:27:23,899 --> 00:27:21,600 crafts over the ranch did the cameras 602 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:23,909 get footage of the incident and if so 603 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:26,809 how can we see the surveillance footage 604 00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:31,559 there you go that's a fantastic question 605 00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:33,779 and yes I did reference that in an 606 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:36,179 interview so this is one of those things 607 00:27:42,259 --> 00:27:39,990 were spotted and then Eric will work his 608 00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:42,269 magic on it not just Eric but I know 609 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:43,799 that the others been taking a look at it 610 00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,450 as well and and then I've been told to 611 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:51,240 not comment any further on it simply 612 00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,330 because if it ends up being something 613 00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:55,620 spectacular we'll want to share that 614 00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,200 with people in the future and if not I 615 00:28:03,919 --> 00:27:59,880 hope they'll share how they arrived at 616 00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:03,929 that either way right there you go 617 00:28:10,009 --> 00:28:08,220 thanks Thomas all right this next one it 618 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:10,019 seems to be a popular question lately 619 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:11,880 and I think it comes up on every show 620 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,049 but Shawna's 621 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:15,440 asks are they getting more tourists now 622 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:18,450 holy smokes 623 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:23,279 yeah I mean yeah over the last couple 624 00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:25,289 well so I was down working at the 625 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:26,760 turnaround so people that haven't been 626 00:28:32,629 --> 00:28:29,690 to the ranch as you approach the ranch 627 00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:32,639 where the road turns from a public road 628 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,590 to a private road there's a little spot 629 00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,240 to turn around and that's where the sign 630 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:37,679 there's a great big sign people have 631 00:28:41,899 --> 00:28:40,169 probably seen it online tells them not 632 00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:41,909 to go any further they'll be trespassing 633 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,559 and and and that if you go beyond that 634 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:48,720 point then we do site we've been riding 635 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:52,610 out quite a few trespassing citations 636 00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:56,460 calling the cops regularly and I'm very 637 00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,460 grateful for our relationship with both 638 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:01,320 you and a County Sheriff's Department 639 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:05,010 and the Bureau of Indian Affairs the 640 00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,590 Federal Police they both respond very 641 00:29:11,419 --> 00:29:09,659 quickly and I've been our partners and 642 00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,429 making sure that we keep the ranch 643 00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:13,919 secured I just want to throw that out 644 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:16,580 there for those people to get ideas but 645 00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:20,070 yeah so there's like two or three weeks 646 00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:22,470 ago I was down there actually working on 647 00:29:26,989 --> 00:29:23,549 some equipment 648 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:26,999 updating some of our lights and our 649 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,970 cameras and I put in a new fence down 650 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:31,080 there so I was down there for the whole 651 00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,659 week working and just in that week I met 652 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:36,299 people from South Carolina Arkansas 653 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:39,570 Louisiana Minnesota Texas California 654 00:29:46,609 --> 00:29:44,100 Idaho Colorado and dozens of people from 655 00:29:48,259 --> 00:29:46,619 the Wasatch Front out in Salt Lake City 656 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:48,269 area which is about two and a half hours 657 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:52,470 from us and the the people that were 658 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:54,210 coming from out of state for the 659 00:29:59,659 --> 00:29:57,090 specific purpose of just driving to see 660 00:30:01,639 --> 00:29:59,669 the ranch I felt bad to be like well 661 00:30:04,009 --> 00:30:01,649 this is all you can see take a picture 662 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:04,019 of the sign and yeah that's all we can 663 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:05,100 let you see ep 664 00:30:11,899 --> 00:30:08,730 but yes tourism has increased a lot I'd 665 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:11,909 say now on an average day where we're 666 00:30:18,259 --> 00:30:15,090 seeing significant travel down to that 667 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:18,269 turnaround so good job staying at home 668 00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,049 people you're right I think this party's 669 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:24,899 driven I can't tell like people that are 670 00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:28,200 far away I'm thinking there's a group 671 00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:30,539 from both the same day I met some people 672 00:30:37,609 --> 00:30:34,980 from Crawford Texas and I'm like Austin 673 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:37,619 and they're just like oh we're so we had 674 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:39,809 cabin fever we're so sick and tired of 675 00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,369 this quarantine that we just figured 676 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:43,320 we'll take a road trip and they so they 677 00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:45,809 like took the opportunity to drive to 678 00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:48,600 the ranch and take a road trip to a 679 00:30:54,139 --> 00:30:52,200 place I supposed to go why not sure I'm 680 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,149 like there's not a lot to see here folks 681 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:58,200 I mean you drove a long ways and I can 682 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,580 let you take a picture of the sign and 683 00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,200 then you got to be on your way so I 684 00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:03,960 think there's this misperception that it 685 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:06,059 is like a movie step you know that 686 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:07,320 you're gonna see something fantastic 687 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:08,730 like oh my god if we go there we're 688 00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:10,830 gonna see lights and cameras and you 689 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:13,350 know dollies and jib arms no you're 690 00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:15,090 gonna see a ranch actually no you won't 691 00:31:19,609 --> 00:31:15,899 even see that you're gonna see some 692 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,619 trees a fence a big gate and the thing 693 00:31:23,749 --> 00:31:21,600 says turn around that's what you're 694 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,759 gonna see eventually something outside 695 00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:24,960 the ranch will have to be set up like 696 00:31:28,999 --> 00:31:26,700 Jurassic Park to let people drive 697 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:29,009 through and right get their little 698 00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:30,480 thrills and then they can get a t-shirt 699 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:33,539 and leave keep them off the ranch yeah 700 00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,410 real quick and I think cuz this was 701 00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,580 brought up on Twitter too is is last 702 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,720 week last episode Jim Morris mentioned 703 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:48,000 that you know you have to kind of treat 704 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:50,670 the ranch like area 51 and there was 705 00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:52,290 some confusion and what he meant there 706 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:55,620 but I think honestly it's kind of like 707 00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:57,510 that it's it he mentioned you know it's 708 00:32:01,539 --> 00:31:59,790 a living laboratory and the science is 709 00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,549 going on so you have to treat it like 710 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:04,799 it's a secure location so people aren't 711 00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:06,630 trespassing on the ranch to ruin all 712 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:08,790 these experiments so I just wanted to 713 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:10,410 clarify that because I think you're 714 00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,809 you're basically saying that with you 715 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:14,760 know the trespassing that's people 716 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,360 should not be doing that yeah yeah and 717 00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,580 you know I we've we've had quite a few 718 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,070 people there like storm storm skinwalker 719 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:25,320 ranch and don't put that out there holy 720 00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,940 cow you know I go on immediately as some 721 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,679 of them I can tell they're joking like 722 00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:34,080 they're just they're just joking but I 723 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:36,390 every time I see that I will comment and 724 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:39,330 remind people you know where as area 51 725 00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:42,090 is government you know they could call 726 00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,559 in the troops if they need to they have 727 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:46,500 the ability to keep area 51 secure we're 728 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:50,520 private property and I want remind 729 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,710 people you wouldn't want somebody coming 730 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:54,000 climbing over the fence into your 731 00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:56,910 backyard this is private property we're 732 00:33:01,340 --> 00:32:59,130 not spending any public dollars out 733 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:01,350 there and every time someone tries to 734 00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:04,290 press passes and they they foul up an 735 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,059 experiment that we're doing or they 736 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:09,179 cause damage to the ranch that's 737 00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,890 somebody's hard-earned money that has to 738 00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:12,840 pay to fix that that's not that's not 739 00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:14,520 the government just pick you know 740 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:17,549 pitching and covering it so I really I 741 00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,350 try to remind people that there's a big 742 00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,440 difference yes we have to stay secure 743 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,559 like area 51 1 it's dangerous and worker 744 00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:26,640 and we're trying to protect the 745 00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:28,740 integrity of the ranch was private 746 00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:32,040 property and and so I just ask people to 747 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:34,340 be respectful of that fact 748 00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:37,500 absolutely all right let's move on to 749 00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:38,280 the next one 750 00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,520 Ashley asks in an article with MJ vinius 751 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,559 Thomas had told the story about the time 752 00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:45,480 he and his wife were at the command 753 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:47,309 center when they both started to hear 754 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:49,530 banging as well as a disembodied voice 755 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:51,000 telling them to get 756 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:54,270 out has Thomas experienced any similar 757 00:34:03,260 --> 00:33:56,310 paranormal activities like that since 758 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:03,270 then so I've heard well use her term 759 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:06,930 disembodied voices I've heard those a 760 00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,190 total of like distinctly three times on 761 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:14,159 the ranch and that one time was with my 762 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:16,770 wife and it actually accompanied a whole 763 00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:19,020 bunch of strange occurrences that night 764 00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:20,899 we did hear the banging in the bedrooms 765 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,669 we heard the footsteps across what used 766 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,440 to be Bigelow's bedroom when he would 767 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:28,440 come and stay on the ranch and it's and 768 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:30,810 interestingly enough the whole reason we 769 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:33,990 were there that night was because we had 770 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:36,570 our cameras were behaving very strangely 771 00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:40,710 and so eric reached out to me and said 772 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:42,929 we've got we've got some problems out 773 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:46,379 there and Eric's pretty he's pretty good 774 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:48,510 about cutting through what's serious and 775 00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:50,490 what can wait for later so when Eric 776 00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:52,470 calls at midnight and says we got some 777 00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:55,139 problems like I always take know and 778 00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:56,669 it's like okay we got to get out there 779 00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:59,130 immediately so the interesting thing is 780 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:01,140 is that we're having we're suffering 781 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:03,510 some pretty serious malfunctions or 782 00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:07,080 these cameras that he's able to view 783 00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:11,940 remotely at that particular time and as 784 00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:15,600 like you can see as we pull into the 785 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:17,700 command center the cameras all go back 786 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:21,690 to fully functioning like from there on 787 00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,050 they're all smoothens and so that was 788 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:27,480 strange that night was so creepy when we 789 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,250 pulled on like the hair stood up on my 790 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:31,530 arms like it was not a good night to be 791 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:33,510 on the ranch I knew it the second we 792 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,130 pulled in I didn't shut the car off I 793 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:37,320 left my car running as a getaway vehicle 794 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:39,750 because it just didn't feel right but as 795 00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:41,310 far as voices I've heard him three times 796 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:43,620 one plowing snow one chasing a 797 00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:46,730 trespasser and one in the command center 798 00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:50,940 and I have heard things before matter of 799 00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:53,340 fact just two weeks ago I was out I 800 00:36:02,060 --> 00:35:54,600 think it was like 2:30 in the morning 801 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:02,070 and every week I we get water terms and 802 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:03,990 for people that don't live in the desert 803 00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,490 they don't understand like the only way 804 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:07,800 we can water things is to actually carry 805 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,590 through the ditches and irrigate the 806 00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:12,480 land and and water out here is more 807 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:16,620 valuable than gold and so our water turn 808 00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,530 actually lasts it starts in the evening 809 00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,720 on one day and it goes all the way 810 00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:22,800 through the night all the way through 811 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:23,790 the day and then all the way through 812 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:26,730 there the next night and so a majority 813 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,450 of the time that I have to irrigate is 814 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,640 like through the night and so for these 815 00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:34,680 couple days every single week I'm out on 816 00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:37,560 the ranch a couple times during the 817 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:39,030 night and I was out there it was like 818 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:41,670 hey about 2:30 in the morning 3 o'clock 819 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:43,800 in the morning and I'm over by Homestead 820 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:48,090 3 and I'm adjusting the head gate in the 821 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,210 flow of the water and I can hear like a 822 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:55,200 radio playing and I'm thinking what the 823 00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:57,510 heck and I had a pretty I had a pretty 824 00:37:02,660 --> 00:36:59,190 bright spotlight so I'm like shining 825 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:02,670 around thinking maybe somebody's like 826 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:05,130 around ya messing with me 827 00:37:12,110 --> 00:37:09,810 and so I'm shining around and I couldn't 828 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:12,120 see anything and I couldn't even tell 829 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,620 what direction it was coming from either 830 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:16,140 it was it was just like his faint radio 831 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:18,810 sound like what the heck I get in the 832 00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:21,090 Jeep and I make sure that the radio 833 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,830 wasn't on on the Jeep I thought maybe my 834 00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:25,250 phone maybe I'd accidentally hit my 835 00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,220 music on my phone it was none of that so 836 00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:31,800 I I finish what I'm doing there I'm not 837 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:34,380 too creeped out yet I back out and I 838 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:36,390 head back over and there's another head 839 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:38,670 gate right by homestead too and so I'm 840 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:40,530 getting out and I'm adjusting it and I 841 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:45,330 hear the same like faint music like a 842 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:48,450 radio plan and I don't know where it was 843 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:50,430 coming from like I couldn't identify it 844 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:52,830 but I started to get a little creeped 845 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,770 out at that point and I just I had one 846 00:38:01,100 --> 00:37:57,540 more head gate to go I didn't hear it 847 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:01,110 over there on head gate 3 but over there 848 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:02,460 on the by thought 2 homesteads I heard 849 00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:04,770 the radio like this faint music playing 850 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:07,620 I don't know where I was coming from but 851 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,630 it's a spooky 852 00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,880 that's exactly what the experience I was 853 00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:13,440 having when I went back to the East 854 00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:14,980 Coast 855 00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:16,660 middle of night I'm just hearing faint 856 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:18,760 music and I couldn't not identify mean I 857 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:21,670 remember my wife broke up with me I hit 858 00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:24,070 my head against the steps listening like 859 00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:25,560 where the hell is the music coming from 860 00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:27,790 she couldn't hear it I was only one 861 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:29,080 hearing it and every time I hear 862 00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,609 somebody else to tell that story it just 863 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:33,540 it's insurer's up my back man that is uh 864 00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:36,970 yeah to this day I don't know experience 865 00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:39,220 it was there a type of music you were 866 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:42,030 hearing was it like reg tiny or 867 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,210 something specific or just like I mean I 868 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:47,440 couldn't really even tell I was being 869 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:49,300 played it just you know it was like 870 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,970 hearing a radio play like like almost 871 00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:56,320 like the neighbors have it playing and 872 00:39:03,300 --> 00:38:57,640 you can't quite tell us claimed it's 873 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:03,310 exactly exactly the description see see 874 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:04,890 I can't wait for my wife to see this I 875 00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:14,970 don't know what it was I do know my 876 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:16,660 fascination at the ranch is not so much 877 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:20,800 UFOs like I to be honest I could really 878 00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:23,500 care less the crafts I know it plays a 879 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:25,780 part in it and that's a huge fascination 880 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:28,450 for people but for me personally I'm 881 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:30,430 more interested in the cognitive stuff 882 00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:35,350 that's going on you know and and so 883 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,150 there have been there's been a couple 884 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:40,480 times where myself and other individuals 885 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:42,670 that have been on the ranch with me 886 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:44,050 either that day or the day before 887 00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:47,290 we're woken up in our sleep at the like 888 00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:49,390 within minutes of each other both woke 889 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:52,420 up to music playing and there again not 890 00:39:57,870 --> 00:39:55,900 hearing not hearing now they describe 891 00:39:59,940 --> 00:39:57,880 there's more as a music box type music 892 00:40:03,000 --> 00:39:59,950 where mine's more like a radio so I 893 00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,010 don't know like how that how that is but 894 00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:04,960 yeah so there's been some strange things 895 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,340 like that and moving on is I'm not gonna 896 00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:12,130 sleep tonight yeah well you know here's 897 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:13,720 another question that we get asked 898 00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:16,930 seemingly every week and you know Thomas 899 00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,520 you just mentioned cameras and TJ you 900 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:21,520 can jump in on this too but this relates 901 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:23,800 to production cameras so Danny asks do 902 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:25,450 any of the production cameras lose 903 00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:27,700 battery power when cell phones and other 904 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:28,120 equip 905 00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,690 lose their power as well yeah so here's 906 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:36,640 here's another I'm not gonna say 907 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:38,130 frustration we're all learning together 908 00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:44,280 but the first season we kept it strictly 909 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:48,550 about us and the production crew did 910 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:50,950 experiments equipment failures and 911 00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:53,950 battery drainages and that and and again 912 00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:56,350 moving forward you know if and when 913 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:00,220 second season happens it's my hope that 914 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:02,950 maybe we can allow some of these things 915 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:04,810 to be shown I know no they don't want to 916 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:07,330 become part of the story but when when 917 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:10,510 you have the production a lot of the 918 00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:12,460 criticisms like oh you see that that 919 00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:14,620 35,000 drop dollar drone couldn't 920 00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:17,590 connect and yeah look they've got the 921 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:21,700 network's drone work just fine and there 922 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:23,590 were times when the network strong did 923 00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,140 not work just fine and I wished and I 924 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:28,000 hope moving forward that maybe more of 925 00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,280 that can be shown and it can be like oh 926 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:33,280 they're they're experiencing the same 927 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:34,780 struggles that we are because they're 928 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:38,260 not immune for a moment I mean our DJI 929 00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,610 phantom 3 Pro I mean yeah craft right 930 00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:44,560 out that we were out there I mean that 931 00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:46,600 just starts freaking out batteries die 932 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:49,180 it happens I mean it just happens it's 933 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:50,830 just because you don't see it like if if 934 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:52,570 everyone saw everything that failed 935 00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:54,310 there'd be no show it'd be everything 936 00:41:59,550 --> 00:41:56,620 failing that's all the footage would be 937 00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,560 of stuff failing so yeah that's all you 938 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:02,640 have redundancy backups on backups 939 00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:05,800 alright Anna asks I would like to know 940 00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:08,830 about the changes and injury in his head 941 00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:12,430 how was he doing oh that's nice thank 942 00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:14,830 you I appreciate the love and concern 943 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:16,630 people show me everywhere I go that's 944 00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:19,090 the first question I get some was my 945 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,120 head my first injured the most severe 946 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:24,160 injury the one that you see that the 947 00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:27,070 scans on television and the the the most 948 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:29,590 traumatic injury for me took place back 949 00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:34,450 in March of 2017 and and so luckily I've 950 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,080 been able to make a good recovery I 951 00:42:46,829 --> 00:42:41,680 still have some lingering effects we 952 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:46,839 of it and and as you saw on was episode 953 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:48,700 two or three you know I've had some 954 00:42:54,329 --> 00:42:51,069 small reoccurrences where the swelling 955 00:42:56,339 --> 00:42:54,339 will start back up again and and now I 956 00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:56,349 don't mess around I go right into the 957 00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:01,599 hospital because I didn't you get you 958 00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:03,220 get worried that it's gonna go great 959 00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:04,359 here we go again 960 00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:07,270 but luckily they've just been smaller 961 00:43:12,059 --> 00:43:08,680 occurrences nothing major 962 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,069 so I actually I'm in good health and I 963 00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:15,640 feel good and and so but I appreciate 964 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:20,319 the concern from everybody so we got 965 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:22,930 from Facebook Gail asks as a native of 966 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:24,550 the basin did Thomas ever have any 967 00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:26,410 unique experiences growing up there 968 00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:31,500 prior to working on the ranch yeah so I 969 00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:33,880 and I think I actually spoke about this 970 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:37,359 in the first podcast you did so I'll 971 00:43:40,589 --> 00:43:39,220 encourage her to go back and watch that 972 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:40,599 one that you guys first interviewed 973 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:42,790 because I I did talk about how I became 974 00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:44,770 associated with the ranch and as far as 975 00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,260 experiences I just assure people I had 976 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:50,079 one UFO experience when I was a kid but 977 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:53,010 it was simply looking out my window and 978 00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:55,150 seeing what I thought was a big 979 00:44:00,270 --> 00:43:58,359 beautiful moon out there only to realize 980 00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,280 next morning when I tell my mom about it 981 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,119 that there was no moon out that night so 982 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:05,890 it wasn't a scary experience or anything 983 00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:07,720 I who was gorgeous it was this big 984 00:44:14,370 --> 00:44:10,420 beautiful orange moon out there in the 985 00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:14,380 sky above the oil refinery and it wasn't 986 00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:15,400 there when I looked out the window a 987 00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:17,230 little bit later but I just figured it 988 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:19,480 it's set beyond the horizon and didn't 989 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:21,160 think anything of it and then the next 990 00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:23,049 morning when I was telling my mom man 991 00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:24,280 you should have saw the moon last night 992 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,670 it was so pretty and my mom was like I 993 00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:29,200 don't think there was a moon out there 994 00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,660 and so we checked the calendar and sure 995 00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:33,520 enough it was it was a night there was 996 00:44:36,569 --> 00:44:34,240 no moon 997 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:36,579 so don't know what it was that I saw but 998 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:38,980 it was not the moon that's that's 999 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:41,410 begging for a Star Wars reference I'm so 1000 00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:45,030 sorry that's no moon it's no moon 1001 00:44:53,099 --> 00:44:48,430 there's no moon but really other than 1002 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,109 that no I don't and you know I've been 1003 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:54,400 thinking about it because I actually get 1004 00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:55,030 a set 1005 00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,660 question a lot but obviously I kind of 1006 00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:00,400 had anything too traumatic because it 1007 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:02,350 doesn't come to me off the top of my 1008 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:05,230 head okay well thanks for sharing all 1009 00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:06,550 this stuff is there anything else like 1010 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:08,500 I'll top your head or that you want to 1011 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:11,650 you know address is anything that you 1012 00:45:15,090 --> 00:45:12,490 haven't had a chance to speak about 1013 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:15,100 either here online I mean I know people 1014 00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:17,530 throw questions at you all the time if 1015 00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:19,270 not that's cool I just wanted to open it 1016 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:20,380 up in case there was something you were 1017 00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:21,910 like oh you guys didn't talk about this 1018 00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:24,340 it's been an interesting ride of 1019 00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:31,120 emotions the last eight weeks and like I 1020 00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:33,640 say that the ranch for me the cognitive 1021 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:39,190 side the way that it boy you know if we 1022 00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:41,290 find out that this is just RF signals 1023 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:43,540 then the way that they interact with the 1024 00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:47,380 body or the even in the last 24 hours 1025 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:48,940 I've spent a lot of time out there in 1026 00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:52,240 the last 24 hours trying to work on some 1027 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,580 specific equipment and worker there 1028 00:46:00,240 --> 00:45:56,880 borrowed on some specific things and 1029 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:00,250 even even in the last 24 hours 1030 00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:02,140 there are things I was just joking with 1031 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:05,320 Erik like two hours before I got on this 1032 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:08,770 podcast he was sharing some things that 1033 00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:12,970 had taken place to him I had left for a 1034 00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:15,030 little while and and while I was gone 1035 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:17,590 some things happen and it's one of those 1036 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:19,030 things I just shake I just told him I'm 1037 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,290 like you know it's just a coincidence 1038 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:22,240 right and he laughed things like 1039 00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,860 everything everything's a coincidence 1040 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:26,640 here at skinwalker ranch it's just a 1041 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:28,690 million little things that drive you 1042 00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:32,650 crazy and really make you question your 1043 00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:35,020 sanity and and as we're drawing to a 1044 00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:37,390 close on the season finale like my mind 1045 00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:39,160 has really spent a lot of time analyzing 1046 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:41,380 like where where am I at with all of 1047 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:45,910 this and and really in quite honesty you 1048 00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:47,410 know I've had some conversations with my 1049 00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:50,800 wife like how much more this can I can I 1050 00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,120 take because at some point when you 1051 00:47:00,840 --> 00:46:57,960 start you really start to question 1052 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:00,850 reality and sanity and those type of 1053 00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:05,410 things and I can see down the road maybe 1054 00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:07,360 sooner than later I don't know having to 1055 00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:08,839 step away because 1056 00:47:16,329 --> 00:47:12,950 for my own peace of mind yeah no we're 1057 00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,339 blaming why could see why when you come 1058 00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:17,359 on you think you know this is the 1059 00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:18,680 coolest place in the world I'd like with 1060 00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:20,359 the big low team in that I've always 1061 00:47:23,289 --> 00:47:21,710 wondered like why would you sell that 1062 00:47:26,229 --> 00:47:23,299 why would you step away from that why 1063 00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:26,239 would you and and Here I am I've been on 1064 00:47:31,029 --> 00:47:28,700 the ranch for years now and there's a 1065 00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:31,039 part of me that's saying actually I I 1066 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:34,069 can start to understand why at some 1067 00:47:40,269 --> 00:47:36,200 point you would say it's somebody else's 1068 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:40,279 turn because I gave it my best shot but 1069 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:45,140 you know kicked my butt you're holding 1070 00:47:52,829 --> 00:47:49,249 up pretty good Ninh alright 1071 00:47:57,609 --> 00:47:52,839 I agree well again Thomas thanks man for 1072 00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:57,619 coming out and now we have well marine 1073 00:48:03,009 --> 00:47:59,450 or Jason don't we have something coming 1074 00:48:05,979 --> 00:48:03,019 up next what three days with these guys 1075 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:05,989 some of these skinwalker guys yeah and 1076 00:48:11,950 --> 00:48:08,210 actually some of the Colombians that we 1077 00:48:14,729 --> 00:48:11,960 had people had to ask that we did not 1078 00:48:18,489 --> 00:48:14,739 answer will be answered on Saturday 1079 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:18,499 we'll have a Jason can give details on 1080 00:48:24,509 --> 00:48:20,690 the event I'll just say that I'm hosting 1081 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:24,519 a skinwalker ranch panel with TJ Thomas 1082 00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:29,450 dragon and Jim Morse and we dive into 1083 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,960 some interesting ranch experiences 1084 00:48:38,499 --> 00:48:34,960 topics and dealing with the show so 1085 00:48:41,979 --> 00:48:38,509 Jason where is this panel being held 1086 00:48:44,829 --> 00:48:41,989 this panel is part of a virtual Expo 1087 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:44,839 called all the strange and you can find 1088 00:48:49,329 --> 00:48:46,609 all the information about that at all 1089 00:48:53,259 --> 00:48:49,339 the strange calm this event takes place 1090 00:48:57,849 --> 00:48:53,269 on Saturday this Saturday the 30th of 1091 00:48:59,769 --> 00:48:57,859 May and yeah all the information is on 1092 00:49:02,489 --> 00:48:59,779 the website you can register there and 1093 00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:02,499 it's completely free so tomorrow so 1094 00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:04,670 tomorrow yes 1095 00:49:08,589 --> 00:49:06,529 oh right that's right yeah tomorrow but 1096 00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:08,599 time people here yes because their 1097 00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:12,529 podcast magic yes yes the magic of magic 1098 00:49:17,859 --> 00:49:15,950 casting yes so I mean that's uh I guess 1099 00:49:19,509 --> 00:49:17,869 that is it for this episode of the 1100 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:19,519 skinwalker debriefs now this coming 1101 00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:21,410 Tuesday 1102 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:23,840 June 2nd will be the season finale of 1103 00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:25,250 the secretive skinwalker ranch on 1104 00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,880 history 1105 00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:27,920 I think the episode title is revelations 1106 00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:30,740 so you know Thomas says he hasn't seen 1107 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,460 it I think yeah there's some revelations 1108 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:37,760 to be had during that episode so please 1109 00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:40,910 tune in and stay tuned for our 1110 00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:42,830 announcement of our guest for next 1111 00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:45,380 week's the skinwalker debrief hopefully 1112 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:48,140 we'll have have somebody new on the show 1113 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:50,990 thanks again for joining us and we will 1114 00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:54,710 see you all next week take care thanks